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devo 11-09-2005 12:34 PM

Restore to an erased drive?
Hello all. Well, it looks like I purchased my external drive and Super Duper at just the right time. Not three or four weeks after purchasing them and backing up, I have lost everything on my laptop. Thank god for Super Duper!

Anyway, here's my adventure and problems, maybe someone out there can offer some advice. I think my problem is a bit like these:

but not quite... ?

So, for some unknown reasons, I turned on my Powerbook the other day, only to not be able to get it to boot (some bad shareware, I think). Luckily, I was able to Archive-and-Install back to OS X 10.3.4, and boot up. At this point, I also backed up the few things since the last full backup. However, I noticed a few odd things and a couple error messages about missing files, so I decided to restore from the backup, figuring that was easier than the several upgrades back to 10.3.9 and at the same time rolling back to a fully working system.

Like the second post above, though, Restore seemed to freeze about halfway through (which I thought may be because the external went to sleep when the laptop did - is there no way to disable sleep during Restore?). In any case, this gave me a non-bootable internal drive. So I then erased the internal, and tried again last night to Restore to it, though after several hours I myself had to sleep, and it slept, and this morning was frozen again.

So. My question is - is this the best way to go about this? Can I Restore to a blank drive, following the Restore instructions in the Super Duper manual? And if so, how can I get it to not sleep during Restore, which seems to terminate the process?

Or am I better off reinstalling OS X, updating to 10.3.9, and moving everything back onto the "new" system? And in that scenario, will I have to reinstall everything or does Panther have a "migrate" function?

My tech info:

15" Powerbook 1.5 GHz 512 ram 80 Gb
OS X 10.3.9 (with an install CD for 10.3.4)
External LaCie 250 Gb USB drive (I wish I had known the distinct advantage of Firewire at this point - ie, bootable - but alas)
Full backup clone, via Super Duper, on separate parition of external drive

Thanks in advance for your help!


dnanian 11-09-2005 03:57 PM

It seems that the sleep problem might be the cause of your difficulty, though it's hard to be certain because I can't tell how you created (and updated) the backup.

What I'd suggest is to start the restore and then use something -- like a few AA batteries -- to hold down the Shift key. The keypresses should prevent sleep, and we can hope that that'll generate a good restore.

If not, doing an archive-and-install over the restoration should restore bootability...

Let me know if that helps!

devo 11-09-2005 04:50 PM

Hi danian...

Thanks for the reply. That's a great (and simple!) solution - weighting the Shift key - I never even thought of that. Hopefully that will do it. I do think the sleep-issue is the cause as well, since last night as long as I prevented it from sleeping - by moving the mouse every few minutes, natch - it progressed fine, if slowly (it IS 60 Gb over a USB connection, after all).

I'll try it tonight, and let you know tomorrow. And thanks for the tip about archive-and-install over the restore if need be - that makes sense as well.

And fyi, as to my backup. I did one full clone "Backup - all files" (with "Erase, then copy..") initially, and have since done a couple Smart Updates. Is that what you mean? Also, as I mentioned, I have the full backup on its own 80 Gb partition.

Again, thanks for the help. Fingers crossed that it works!

dnanian 11-09-2005 04:52 PM

Sounds good -- as long as you did your Smart Updates with "Backup - all files" too, you should be all set. (The question was really because you rolled back and then "backed up the things that had changed", and it's unclear how you did that... you might have rolled back your backup to 10.3.4, too.)

devo 11-09-2005 05:01 PM

Oh I see.

Yes, the Smart Updates were done with "Backup all files".

And when I backed up the things that had changed, all I did was manually copy them to the other partition on the external (it was just a few photo-sets and documents). So the clone backup I have now is still my last working 10.3.9 backup. Whew!

dnanian 11-09-2005 05:03 PM

Good. Phew is right! :)

devo 11-10-2005 10:00 AM

Hi Dave and everyone...

Well, it was a no go last night. The trick of the keypress did prevent the computer from sleeping (Shift didn't seem to work, but the space bar did). But Restore still stopped at just under 50% progress. I let it go for a while even after it was obvious it had stopped, but after it didn't move for 1.5 hours, I gave up. At that point, there was a lot of CD-drive activity, but little else.

I guess my next best bet is to do a clean install of 10.3.4? I'm curious though - in this post, which seems a similar problem to mine, OneMatchFire says he finally was able to Restore when he "ran Disk Util from a newly installed version of 10.3" instead of the CD. Can you restore onto the hard drive on which disk utility is installed? It doesn't seem like you could, or maybe I'm misreading.

At this point, that would ideal. Otherwise, I'm looking at a lot of time upgrading and reinstalling programs. Though I will get a squeaky clean OS.

Either way - I still haven't lost any of my info (knock on wood). I still thank god I got Super Duper!

(Thanks, once again, for all the help so far and still to come).

dnanian 11-10-2005 10:34 AM

Sounds like the drive might even be overheating, devo -- your situation is definitely different than OneMatchFire's.

What I'd probably suggest at this point is to upgrade to Tiger and use its Migration Assistant to pull over the data. It'll copy less that way, and you might get it all off before the drive overheats.

I'd also seriously consider selling this USB drive on eBay or something and getting a good FireWire drive!

devo 11-10-2005 10:55 AM

Ah, you read my mind, Dave.

It does seem like the perfect time to finally get Tiger, as long as I'm working with a blank drive and spending so much time on it - it shouldn't all be in vain. Plus, as you say, Tiger's migration will make it all that much easier. Not to mention, I just need my computer back!

And, whether it's this specific drive or not, I also think everything is telling me that I should get a FireWire drive. I might even keep the USB as a redundant backup (if I wasn't paranoid about data-loss before - which I was - now I really am!).

So thanks again for all your help. I really appreciate it.


dnanian 11-10-2005 11:41 AM

No problem, Devo. Here's hoping it works out.

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